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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/20/2001 9:21 am  
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Source:   Fresno Bee; August, 18, 2001

Fresno Abortion Practitioner Sued for Abortion Death, Botched Abortion

Fresno, CA -- A Fresno abortion practitioner, Kenneth Wright, and his
facility face two malpractice lawsuits stemming from separate botched
abortions. One of the women slipped into a coma after the May 5, 2000,
abortion and later died.

The other lawsuit says the doctor "overlooked a fetus" during a Nov. 10,
1999, abortion, forcing the woman to have emergency surgery later.

The most recent case was filed this week in Fresno County Superior Court.
It accuses Wright and Family Planning Associates Medical Group abortion
facility of wrongfully causing the death of Kimberly K. Neil. The lawsuit
alleges Neil wasn't properly monitored and wasn't properly treated after
she went into respiratory arrest during the abortion. Neil died May 22,
2000.

Her family, which filed the lawsuit, referred questions to their Los
Angeles lawyer, who did not return telephone calls Friday. Wright, 68,
declined to comment, referring questions to his lawyer.

The other case, filed in April, claims Wright was negligent and
"overlooked" an unborn child while doing an abortion on Heather M. Shaw of
Tulare County in 1999. Shaw later suffered cramping, hemorrhaging, nausea
and "borderline gangrene" and required emergency surgery, the lawsuit
says.

Wright's lawyer, Donald R. Fischbach, denies an unborn child was left
inside Shaw. He said there were other "tissues" that weren't removed
completely and that Shaw signed a consent form saying she understood such
a problem could arise. Shaw should have returned to Wright's office to
have those "tissues" removed, he said.

Instead, Shaw later had surgery at a South Valley hospital to complete the
botched abortion.

"Our contention is that this is just very unfortunate for all concerned,"
Fischbach said.

Lita Reid, Shaw's lawyer, said Friday that an unborn child was left behind
during the abortion and that her client's medical care was substandard.

"There is a consent form and you warn patients about things, but you can't
write off negligence with a disclaimer," Reid said.

Both lawsuits seek unspecified damages.

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  From:  Spay (SPAYPET)    8/20/2001 1:17 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (2 of 14)  
 
  176.2 in reply to 176.1  
 
Any surgery contains risks. 
-SPAYPET, pro-choice Christian


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/20/2001 10:54 pm  
To:  Spay (SPAYPET)    (3 of 14)  
 
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Are you trying to call an Abortion  surgery?

 

An abortion results in the death of an innocent baby.

 

I dont think Surgery and abortion have anything in common.

 

You are trying to use the word Surgery a word that has connotations of good intentions in helping and healing and use it as a cover for Murdering a baby.

 

It sounds like you are about as good a Christian as an abortionist is a healer!





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  From:  Dr_Shock   8/21/2001 4:52 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (4 of 14)  
 
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Although related to abortion, this article has more to do with malpractice rather then being an anti-abortion argument. There are people who die from hernia operations, spinal taps, cosmetic surgery and various out patient proceedures, but those don't end up on a pro-life web page although they're statstically 1000x more common then the death of the mother by abortion. 
In fact, the injury or death of adults and children due to medical incompetance is more greater then the total number of abortions preformed at any given time. Any doctor who tells you different is a liar. For example, one out of every ten spinal taps has complications, the least of which is partial paralysis. These deaths are also the taking of an innocent life due to a doctor's stupidity, a disease which runs rampant in the medical community, although its never touched upon in societial conflict as abortion is. 

I think it all ties into the "save the whales" principal: If its cute and cuddely, people will give their lives to defend it. If its big and nasty with teeth or a threat to us in any way, we're all for cooking it up for dinner, endangered or not. 

I believe the proper term for this type of reporting is "pick and choose".


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  From:  Spay (SPAYPET)    8/21/2001 6:15 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (5 of 14)  
 
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i'm sorry you feel that way. maybe if you had a uterus instead of a penis, you wouldn't. try this site: ****


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/21/2001 10:08 am  
To:  Spay (SPAYPET)    (6 of 14)  
 
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I shouldnt have to admonish you to use nice language on a Christian forum.

But since your conduct already requires admonishment, please know that if you wish to post on this forum you will clean up your language or be locked out.

 

David

 

 





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  From:  Spay (SPAYPET)    8/21/2001 11:00 am  
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What's wrong with my language and why did you delete the web site I provided?


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  From:  Steen Goddik (sgoddik)   8/21/2001 11:26 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (8 of 14)  
 
  176.8 in reply to 176.1  
 
Physicians get sued all the time. SO what? 
Steen


Interesting Quotes: 


I think abortion of a fetus is just as tragic as starvation of an infant.
-ChiefScalia-!
I don't know if God is a bigot. If He is, then bigotry is good.
-Keepyobaby-!
I don't see the problem with recognizing it {molar pregnancy} as life...it's not going to develope but it is still a conception and alive.
-K-Lynn, self-acknowledged fundie-!
By making [abortion] legal you force availability on them
-K-Lynn, self-acknowledged fundie-!
And frankly, even children who are beaten experience life. 
-ThatOrville-!
that makes the woman's function similar to that of a respirator or similar piece of machinery which acts as a method to sustain life.
-Cecil-!
no one has ever been denied a voice by me or anyone else on a board I've managed.
-David Byron-!
**Edited for dawn as she claimed never to hold that particular opinion** .
-Mrs. Write-! 



   
  
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  From:  Steen Goddik (sgoddik)   8/21/2001 11:33 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (9 of 14)  
 
  176.9 in reply to 176.3  
 
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[D] Are you trying to call an Abortion ? surgery? 
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Hmm, lets see. It is performed by a general surgeon or an OB/GYN surgeon. It takes place in a surgical suite, involving surgical tools. It is taught during surgical rotations in medical school or recidency. 

OF COURSE it is surgery. Sheesh. This does not have something to do with extreme ignorance of medicine and medical procedures, does it? 

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[D] An abortion results in the death of an innocent baby. 
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Well, to be correct, it results in the death of a fetus or an embryo. 

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[D]I don?t think ?Surgery? and abortion have anything in common. 
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It is clear that you don't "think" this. reality, of course, is that abortion IS defined as a surgical procedure. Perhaps asking your physician about this could clarify your misconception? Your knowledge of what is surgery is glaringly deficient, I am sorry to have to tell you. Wishfull on your part does not change reality. 

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[D] You are trying to use the word Surgery a word that has connotations of good intentions in helping and healing and use it as a cover for Murdering a baby. 
-- 

How silly. Your revisionist linguistics does not change reality. Surgery means an operative procedure designed to remove tissue or connect tissue. The "connotation is completely irrelevant to what it actually IS. Sorry, but the medical community does not want to redefine its very basic concepts because you have false associations with some of its terminology. 

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[D] It sounds like you are about as good a Christian as an abortionist is a healer! 
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As the abortionist repairs the woman's medical concern/problem, he/she is very much a healer. 

Steen 



Interesting Quotes: 


I think abortion of a fetus is just as tragic as starvation of an infant.
-ChiefScalia-!
I don't know if God is a bigot. If He is, then bigotry is good.
-Keepyobaby-!
I don't see the problem with recognizing it {molar pregnancy} as life...it's not going to develope but it is still a conception and alive.
-K-Lynn, self-acknowledged fundie-!
By making [abortion] legal you force availability on them
-K-Lynn, self-acknowledged fundie-!
And frankly, even children who are beaten experience life. 
-ThatOrville-!
that makes the woman's function similar to that of a respirator or similar piece of machinery which acts as a method to sustain life.
-Cecil-!
no one has ever been denied a voice by me or anyone else on a board I've managed.
-David Byron-!
**Edited for dawn as she claimed never to hold that particular opinion** .
-Mrs. Write-! 



   
  
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  From:  Steen Goddik (sgoddik)   8/21/2001 11:35 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (10 of 14)  
 
  176.10 in reply to 176.6  
 
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[D] I shouldn?t have to admonish you to use nice language on a Christian forum. 
-- 
Hmm, what parts of Spaypet's language was not "nice" That she used correct terminology regarding genitalia? Exactly what is the problem here? That reality somehow is intruding on your forum? 

Steen


Interesting Quotes: 


I think abortion of a fetus is just as tragic as starvation of an infant.
-ChiefScalia-!
I don't know if God is a bigot. If He is, then bigotry is good.
-Keepyobaby-!
I don't see the problem with recognizing it {molar pregnancy} as life...it's not going to develope but it is still a conception and alive.
-K-Lynn, self-acknowledged fundie-!
By making [abortion] legal you force availability on them
-K-Lynn, self-acknowledged fundie-!
And frankly, even children who are beaten experience life. 
-ThatOrville-!
that makes the woman's function similar to that of a respirator or similar piece of machinery which acts as a method to sustain life.
-Cecil-!
no one has ever been denied a voice by me or anyone else on a board I've managed.
-David Byron-!
**Edited for dawn as she claimed never to hold that particular opinion** .
-Mrs. Write-! 



   
  
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  From:  Spay (SPAYPET)    8/21/2001 1:56 pm  
To:  Dr_Shock   (11 of 14)  
 
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Hi. I enjoyed your post. Please stop by my One, None or Never forum sometime. Thank you.


-Spay (SPAYPET), hostess of the The One, None or Never forum 

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  From:  Dr_Shock   8/21/2001 10:47 pm  
To:  Spay (SPAYPET)    (12 of 14)  
 
  176.12 in reply to 176.11  
 
<<<Hi. I enjoyed your post. Please stop by my One, None or Never forum sometime. Thank you.>>> 
Thanks. I'll be sure to drop by some time and check it out.


-The Mad Dr. Shock
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/22/2001 7:56 am  
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Canadian Research:  Abortion More Dangerous than Pro-Abortion Claims
by Eli Schuster

It is no surprise that pro-choice partisans do their best to portray the
aborting of unborn human life as routine and safe. For example, the
Canadian Abortion Rights Action League's (CARAL) Web site claims, ``Under
normal medical conditions, abortion is a very safe procedure.'' It does,
however, admit, ``rare, serious complications requiring follow-up
treatment can occur.'' It also acknowledges recent studies suggesting a
link between abortions and the development of breast cancer, but calls
these studies ``inconsistent and inconclusive.'' However, according to
Isabelle Begin, vice-president of the pro-life group Respect de la Vie
Outaouais (RVO) of Hull, Que., abortions are far more dangerous to women
than groups such as CARAL admit.

In February, Ms. Begin's group was sued by an abortion clinic for
publishing a pamphlet claiming that one out of 25 women receiving a legal
abortion in Canada is in subsequent need of up to seven days of hospital
care. The clinic claimed the pamphlet was ``fallacious, morbid and
alarmist.'' The clinic presented a Statistics Canada table placing the
abortion complication rate at 1.1%, far lower than RVO's claimed 4%.

In late July, however, the clinic dropped the suit. Ms. Begin believes it
was because her group did an effective job of rebutting the clinic's
evidence in court. ``I genuinely think they must have all been brainwashed
by the abortion industry's safe legal abortion myth,'' she says. ``They
are not a thorough kind of people and perhaps they never took the time to
read the endnotes at the bottom of the Statistics Canada complication
table they quote.''

RVO demonstrated to the court that the StatsCan study cited by the clinic
represented only those abortions performed in hospitals and did not
include the nearly one-third of abortions performed in clinics.
Furthermore, only 75% of hospitals report abortions to the Statistics
Canada Therapeutic Abortions database. Of those, only a limited number
declare medical complications, and even then, only ``immediate''
complications are taken into account. Another StatsCan study,
``Second-trimester abortions: Trends and medical complications,'' suggests
an abortion performed at five-to-six months gestation runs a 22% risk of
serious complications, up to and including death for the mother.

A medical researcher by training, Ms. Begin cites several reasons
abortions are dangerous. ``A pregnant woman should never have surgery, let
alone major abdominal surgery like abortion,'' she states. ``Her blood
coagulation factors are extremely vulnerable, and she can easily bleed to
death.  Shock, coma and death can happen within a few minutes after the
onset of hemorrhaging, yet clinics can't be equipped for emergency blood
transfusions.''

The pro-life advocate notes that suction machines often used for the
procedure can damage a woman's uterus and even cause blood poisoning by
sucking in fecal material from the intestines. Blood poisoning can also
occur when abortions are incomplete. ``Cadaver parts remain inside the
mother's womb and general blood poisoning [septicemia] sets in,'' Ms.
Begin says. ``That's often fatal.''

Officials with the Canadian Medical Association and the Society of
Obstetricians and Gynecologists were not available for comment on the
issue.

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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/28/2001 8:43 am  
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Subject:   Connecticut Man Sentenced for Attempted Forced Abortion
Source:   Waterbury (CT) Republican American; August 27, 2001

Connecticut Man Sentenced for Attempted Forced Abortion

Milford, CT -- A West Haven, Connecticut man accused of beating a
15-year-old pregnant girl to cause an abortion has been sentenced to five
years in prison.

In sentencing Jerome Butler, 26, Wednesday, Superior Court Judge Richard
Arnold labeled him a savage criminal with no sense of remorse.

Police said Butler had an affair with the girl and got her pregnant. After
learning of the pregnancy, police said, Butler and his wife came up with a
plan to kill the unborn child by having Butler kick the girl in the
stomach repeatedly.

Butler and his wife, Nicole, 25, previously pleaded guilty to charges
stemming from the alleged scheme. Nicole Butler received a suspended
prison term as the result of a plea bargain.

The baby survived the attack and was born in good health, officials said.

Under the plea agreement, Butler received a total sentence of 10 years,
suspended after five served, with 10 years probation. He was ordered to
submit to sex offender evaluation and treatment and to register as a sex
offender for 10 years.

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